Can we just disable these "wonderful" tac goggles on the server, or is it too mean for the waterrats?
I just cant stand it anymore to get random hits by anyone who is swimming in the water 24/7.
Anyone has the same opinion or is it possible?

"but im daltonic" ..

Seriously, im agree but i mainly suggest to keep a clear decision.

Its difficult to explain players why sometime its tacs allow and one hour after its not, for return allow one more hour after.

Eagle is arguably one of the most fun maps to wear goggles on.
I've seen players sometimes use them back in the day and go sit behind the green wagons (which you can actually see and shoot through - good times) or even underwater but it wasn't a big deal back then. It just feels way worse today when the sole purpose of tacs seems to be to actually camp underwater and farm kills to have an advantage over anyone above sea level.

In my opinion, eagle is a huuuge map on which one part of the challenge lies in finding out where your enemies are hiding - That's why some people only get 10 kills in 30 minutes.
If people feel it's necessary to use goggles on here, I see where they're coming from, with the map being so big and all, but being lazy is definitely not the answer here. That's like having your enemies presented to you on a silver plate. It takes away the point of a good old eagle map. I mean they might as well go play abbey where the entire map is a battlefield.

I'm seeing 3 solutions to this debate.

1. Ban tac goggles.

2. Allow tac goggles - BUT make a new rule disallowing players to use them underwater. Then again, that would result in admins constantly having to remind people not to do so, because they'll do it anyways, it's just too tempting.

3. Use the new extended eagle map (I hate it.) which allows seeing through water from above.

Any reasonable player will understand why tac goggles are not exactly the top notch attachment on eagle. And if people cry about it, they're probably not reasonable players

Teddy wrote:

Can we just disable these "wonderful" tac goggles on the server, or is it too mean for the waterrats?
I just cant stand it anymore to get random hits by anyone who is swimming in the water 24/7.
Anyone has the same opinion or is it possible?

+1

That's why some people only get 10 kills in 30 minutes.

i can do 60 kills in 30 minutes easily

2. Allow tac goggles - BUT make a new rule disallowing players to use them underwater. Then again, that would result in admins constantly having to remind people not to do so, because they'll do it anyways, it's just too tempting.

that wouldnt be cool, sometimes i just jump in the water, cuz i know there is someone (i dont use tacs).

Hello people
should also prohibiting NEGUEV, G36, the LR300, M4 and SR8, SPA MAC 11 because many people do not like it, prohibiting the top of the castle snipers. and also to prohibit killing people in this game and replace it with the delivery of pizza, with a nice house and a pretty woman, and replace the name of URBAN TERROR by URBAN PIZZA

FarrokhBulsara

@FarrokhBulsara

It's not about liking something or not. It's about giving people an unfair advantage due to glitches and the layout of the map.

Zaphot42 wrote:

Another opportunity would be to ready into this map-making stuff and fix Eagle. No extensions, just removing the glitches (including that Tacs can see outside the water).

Good idea.
I don't know if the whole goggles-seeing-through-water-thing is a map issue or, in fact built into the game. I think I remember being able to do it on other maps as well.

That would even make it impossible to fix it in map-making and brings up a new idea:
Modding.

I'm thinking put a mod over the server that modifies goggles in a way that they can't see through water and/or only up to a certain distance.

Just speculating here. I can't mod myself, nor do I know what the benefits and boundaries of having a modded server are.

face wrote:

@FarrokhBulsara

It's not about liking something or not. It's about giving people an unfair advantage due to glitches and the layout of the map.

So, that's what I say, you have to remove the top of the castle, as it gives an advantage to the snipers, remove the train because it hides the faster players
must also remove the house of boat and wooden boxes next to because they give an advantage to campers in LR300 waiting out of the blue, and containers, as players can hide behind.
All map of this game are the advantages and disadvantages, similar to the weapons, the interest is precisely to counter the advantages of others, not delete it because some see cheating, or maybe because "they are not good!

FarrokhBulsara